KnotMissPriceless Why so much hype?

Actuakers One of my all time favorites.

ShangLuda Admirable film.

Hayden Kane There is, somehow, an interesting story here, as well as some good acting. There are also some good scenes

vesy90 I saw both "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" in my teen years. One would think that now, at 27, I will have outgrown it or, at the very least, that it wouldn't have the same appeal to me. But not only that both shows passed the test of time, but they actually grew on me. I have heard people calling them teenage shows, but the truth is that when I was a teenager I couldn't appreciate them to the level I appreciate them today. Since I have a hard time separating them, despite this being an Angel thread, I will write about both. Though what can I really say aside from: bloody awesome! Not that they are perfect. Like all shows, they do have their issues. But the positives far outweigh them. One of the things that I love about them is the humour. The kind of humour I don't see on other shows. It's not just magic, fights and romance. Which I love, all three. But the funny parts made it all even better. Buffy, Cordy, Anya and Xander are absolutely hilarious. And later Angel, which was the biggest surprise. After leaving Buffy, he turns into a completely different man. Actually, it was the same with Cordy. I liked her in Buffy, but it is in her post Buffy phase that she really starts to shine. All you Cordy haters can bite me. Actually, she's a perfect example of another thing that I love so much in both shows. Despite them being about the epic fight between good and evil, there are also shades of grey. I admit that I am always more impressed with characters seeking redemption, ones who achieve spiritual growth and find their strength and maturity with time than with those who are role models from beginning to end. This is one of the reasons why maybe I feel a bit more strongly about Cordy than about Buffy. But if there is a difference, it's not so big. Buffy too is fantastic. Despite being the hero, who is always on the right track, she is far from being too perfect and artificial. Somehow the writers manage to give us a wonderful, inspiring, full-blooded young woman we can all look up to. And, just like Angel, she actually becomes more interesting after their separation. I love them together and their relationship will always have a special place in my heart, but I have to admit that there is something missing in it. It comes off as a bit too romantic and fairy-tale like. Cordy and Spike bring that extra something, the edge I wanted. This is why I like them better with them than with each other. But that's just my opinion. I don't mind others disagreeing. Which leads me to my other point. The eternal argument about who loves whom more and who should be with whom. I am really displeased with the pettiness it entails. More specifically, mean comments of the likes of "He/she is disgusting. How dares he/she be with him/her? He/she could never love him/her" and even go as far as verbally attacking those who think differently and the writers too. The most of this kind I have seen are regarding Angel and Cordy's relationship, which was why I said that they could bite me. If you are happy with your own view/version, then why trying to ruin it for the rest? Why not leave them have their own? This is the good thing about fiction. You don't have to be "objective" and "stick to the facts" You can stretch your imagination and let it be whatever you want it to be. It's all a matter of interpretation and personal preferences. When it comes to me, I'm not interested in deciding which couple's love is the greatest. I'm just happy that they happened. I love Angel & Buffy, I love Spike & Buffy and I love Angel & Cordy. Some people don't believe it, but it IS possible to be in love with two people at the same time. I don't think that the fact that Buffy and Angel move on negates their story and means that they love each other any less. If anything, I think it shows the opposite. When Angel thinks she is dead and tells Cordy that he feels guilty for being able to live with it, she tells him that this is a way to honour her. And I think she's right. If they had spent the rest of their lives moping and crying for each other, they would have been different people from those they saw in each other and which makes them fall in love with each other in the first place. And I think that if all those who so vehemently declare over and over again how disgusting a certain character is and how impossible it is for the other of the pair to love them and use even silly sarcasm and forced laughter do it only out of spite, because they themselves feel that they're not right, therefore they do their best to undermine the couple in a desperate attempt to fight off the obvious. If they were truly so sure, they wouldn't have been bothered. Talking of lack of maturity, I think that the characters that show the more growth are Cordy, Angel, Spike and Wesley. And of the non-permanent characters, Darla and Faith. I wonder what Dru would have amounted to, had she regained her soul too. I have always liked her a lot. She is maybe my favourite villain. So this is it. This is the best way I can describe my experience with the all those incredible characters and their stories. I want to see the shows again. Many times. Thank you so much, Joss Whedon and team. You are great!

annier-92577 In some ways Angel feels like four or five different shows because so much changes so drastically as the show progresses. It is definitely at it's best at the beginning. By late season 3 things have started feeling shark jumpy, and the show had already gone through at least 2 or 3 incarnations by that point. So here's my ratings for all the different Angels (descriptions contain broad story arcs which might count as spoilers but I tried not to give anything too secret away):{SPOILER START):Angel #1- Angel, Doyle & Cordie in small PI firm, lots of cop/Angel interactions & helpless-helpingAngel #2 -Angel, Cordie, Wesley still small PI firm, still some cop or walk-in PI cases Angel #3 -Angle, Cordie, Wesley, Gunn, Fred, Lorne. Few PI cases. Hotel instead of PI firm. Ongoing devolving battle with Wolfram & Heart, with Darla & Holt as additional long-story bad guys. No police investigations anymore. More demons as good and bad guys, and as PI clients. Less about vampires or the streets of LA. More supernatural. Angel & Cordie get close, it seems like they are about to get together. Angel #4 -Things change again. Conor comes back grown. Wesley's status changes. Cordie & Angel ...well things aren't as expected. Both Cordie & Angel stop being themselves for awhile this season. Then Jasmine's arc, which feels like it's a season long but is really only 5 episodes. Angel #5 -Most Drastic changes. Angel & team take over Wolfram & Heart. No more PI firm at all now. Angel is now head of an evil empire trying to stop evil. Everyone else changes too. Gunn magically becomes a lawyer, bye-bye tough street kid. Fred become Illyria, bye-bye sweet bookish Fred. Cordie is gone. Conor gone too. Spike joins them, but he doesn't seem entirely like himself either (he just came from making a huge sacrifice for love of Buffy but he won't even pick up the phone to let her know he's alive?). Lorne leaves at one point, but he had already changed before that too (he used to run a night club remember). Lindsay, Wesley & Harmony return and become different versions of themselves too. The whole feel of the show changes. Then it ends.(SPOILERS END)So, things change a lot. Which means it doesn't go stale, but it also means it is hard to get comfortable with it. You end up missing characters when they are still there on the screen but everything has changed so much that you don't recognize them anymore. That said, like all Joss Whedon, there are still moments of brilliance even in the parts I find the most difficult to connect to. Humour too (like the puppet episode in the last season). Also, one of my very favourite Buffy episodes is actually an episode in Angel's first season when she comes to visit her dad in LA. It is brilliant and beautiful and touching. All Buffy fans should at least see that episode (S01e08 'I Will Remember You'). Here's how my ratings would break down: Beginning = 10 Middle = 8 End = 6 So I averaged out to an 8.

chintanvora-605-405726 Angel had its links to Buffy, there were crossovers and tie ins, and the similarities at the start of the show were noticeable. But as the seasons progressed and the characters became darker and the plots heavier, it seemed what we were watching was not entirely the same. As times have progressed, it seems audiences desire a darker more gritty version of TV, with shows that don't shy away from the harsher aspects of life, the Wire to name one, are shows favoured for. Angel had its comedic episodes, but the over arching themes were of the dark fight against darkness, being forced into positions where the right path isn't always visible and the seeking of salvation. This show was brilliant, and though it has carried on in comics, it will be sorely missed.

Joachim Larsson Are you one of those who loved Buffy but is not sure to watch this spin off with Angel? Well, let me put you on ease. It's worth to watch. It's got a different tone then Buffy. It's darker, more serious and again much darker. The first season is like with Bufyy a slow starter. But with the second season it started to find its way. It can, like with Buffy feel a little b but admit it, thats why why we love it. Mostly it can feel that because of the low budget and that the casting is not always god. But the scripts is often fantastic, especially the ones written by Joss Whedon. So stick with it and you will see some great episode in season three, four and five.The characters evolves through the series and eventually you will find some favorites. Mine has always been Wesley and Lorne. So yeah, if you love Buffy this show is worth too watch. Watch it with Buffy from season four and you will get a universe unlike any other show has been able to top.